Apologies to Mr. Kingston – Season 04, Episode 05

After dedicating so much love to the UK’s Will Ospreay last week, we apologize to the Mad King for neglecting him, then recap Clash at the Castle and look forward to an incredibly long day of World’s Collide and All Out.

Transcript (Made by Robots)

01:00:00:14 – 01:00:23:09
Jeremy
It seems like not only did TCU’s suspension for Pi facing Sammy Sammy Guevara apply to both A.W., but it also applied to this podcast where we quickly forgot to really include him at all last week. So yes, he will be in the cover art that you might be looking at right now as you listen to this.

01:00:24:16 – 01:00:54:20
Matt
I mean, we we kind of were teed up that we were going to use Asprey, who I should also apologize to, because in my haste I called him the the Aussie import and he is absolutely British. So apologies there. But speaking of British are clash of the castle was today. I enjoyed the entire show. One wasn’t necessarily thrilled with the ending.

01:00:55:17 – 01:01:11:00
Matt
Yeah, but I mean, what. What did you think? I felt like this was the this was the first pay per view that like, yeah, most of this was still teed up when Vince was run and shit. But like this, this had triple h from start to finish, like the feel of it.

01:01:12:00 – 01:01:41:17
Jeremy
Right. And I would say so yeah. There, there was a kind of a takeover feel to it on one, one hand it was the amount of matches. I think there was six matches total on the main card. Yeah. And so that Yeah. That felt already like a a triple H thing. And then as you mentioned, as we were talking over text, the amount of false finishes reminds me of the heyday of black and gold and takeovers.

01:01:41:23 – 01:02:18:06
Matt
Absolutely. Like, I mean, and I’m going to knock it when I say this, but it’s Seamus and and Walter Gunther. That that’s the match to beat this weekend for every other show. And there is a lot of wrestling this weekend, but there were at least 20 false finishes. I mean, the Irish Cross, the the Powerbomb where Seamus was clutching his spine, the and I got to put this out there for for WWE bookers.

01:02:19:01 – 01:02:37:11
Matt
We happen to know as fans now everything that goes on with these guys. So for a guy with a degenerative spine disorder, please don’t have him work spinal injuries because that just upset me the whole rest of the match, thinking that like something had actually happened to him and.

01:02:37:11 – 01:03:05:10
Jeremy
I was thinking recently to there is not really not much difference between Seamus and Darby actually but in in like they have different styles completely. So like Darby style, you could say is more like Jeff Hardy. But like I was just thinking like Darby and Seamus I think are just maybe even more of a in a way, there’s think there’s a lot of similarities because I think that Seamus is so dedicated to basically just destroying his body.

01:03:05:22 – 01:03:06:22
Jeremy
Yes. Yes.

01:03:07:10 – 01:03:35:19
Matt
And I was I was watching that whole match. And the whole time I couldn’t help but think like two or three different things. I won the match was amazing. But at any point when we when we were there for what we’ve been live for three or four. Brock Roman main event. If, if either one of those guys had replaced Brock Lesnar in any of those matches, how much more awesome the match would have been.

01:03:36:19 – 01:04:02:13
Matt
Yeah, Seamus, I, he, he doesn’t get enough love anymore. I was so glad that, that, that, that crowd in Cardiff gave him all that respect because that guy goes out there and takes an ass whipping every time he’s on TV. And it doesn’t matter who he’s in the ring with, he’s going to go out there. He’s going to look like minced meat by the time he walks to the back like that.

01:04:02:13 – 01:04:25:10
Matt
That match was just absolutely incredible. And the other thing that I kept thinking was how upsetting it was, knowing that I would never get to see Gunther versus Daniel Bryan for that intercontinental belt, because there’s there’s something about their styles that I think would just they would mesh perfectly and that that match would be a beauty to watch.

01:04:25:10 – 01:04:43:19
Matt
But yeah, like I said, tons of false finishes. And, and this this match is 100% the the bar that is set for the the weekend. And I don’t I don’t mean that as a subtle pun throwback to the bar itself. But Seamus set the bar with this one.

01:04:44:16 – 01:05:07:12
Jeremy
The one thing I noticed too, two one kind of like old school WWE thing that hasn’t changed. Nobody from the British Isles won their matches. Everybody that was actually from one of those islands. I know. I know they’re you know, Seamus is Irish like that’s that’s his own thing. But those set of islands, nobody won their matches. Finn lost.

01:05:08:23 – 01:05:17:05
Jeremy
Yeah. Seamus lost and Drew drew loss as well, which we got. Did you did you stick around to the acapella performance from Titus Dearie at the end.

01:05:17:23 – 01:05:22:19
Matt
And was surprised at I mean he’s got some pipes.

01:05:23:08 – 01:05:26:00
Jeremy
Yeah his singing voice is better than his WWE match.

01:05:27:00 – 01:05:52:05
Matt
Yeah. Which. Yeah. You know what, what threw me off about it wasn’t there like a really long period where they were trying? Like he had some passport issues, but he and Drew were trying to build a match on Twitter where they would they would wrestle it like a SummerSlam or something. But then Tyson Fury, like I think that’s why he still hasn’t beat the shit out of one of the Paul brothers is because he’s got some passport stuff going on.

01:05:53:20 – 01:06:18:03
Matt
But like I distinctly remember, Drew was supposed to wrestle him at some point and they were like going back and forth on Twitter. But yeah, the it did upset me when, when Drew asked Tyson if he had Sweet Caroline in him, and he was like, I don’t know the words to that. And Drew said, Well, I only know the chorus, so let’s do something else.

01:06:19:18 – 01:06:44:07
Matt
But yes, the the Wales crowd doing Oasis close out the show was a was kind of a nice touch and I was at that opening match. I’m going to be 100% honest. I don’t remember anything about it except that, you know, it made sense for Bayley to get the pin on Bianca because I get lost in the British crowd singing the Hey Bayley, will you be my girl.

01:06:45:15 – 01:06:56:01
Matt
I love it so much and I desperate want to go to one of these big shows in in the UK at some point just to be a part of that that environment.

01:06:57:00 – 01:07:21:09
Jeremy
Yeah. At one point we like impulsively bought tickets to a Progress Ali Palace show, which is a one of their like big shows. And we’re like, Yeah, we’re going to go, we’re going to go to England. It’s gonna be great. We didn’t go. We sold those tickets. So I came in like halfway through that match. And so by the time I came in, I only ever saw Bianca on one side.

01:07:21:09 – 01:07:25:22
Jeremy
So it’s just like, was this a like a handicap match? And I didn’t really know it.

01:07:26:06 – 01:07:55:01
Matt
Honestly, it took forever before they actually tagged Bianca in and really the the Alexa and Oscar team works very, very well together. They’re there. Tandem stuff was great. The other the other three that that is a insanely cohesive unit to have just been kind of tossed together recently because some of the some of the tandem shit they were doing was just like awesome.

01:07:55:19 – 01:08:17:17
Matt
It wasn’t like we didn’t get a big rig chatter machine or anything, but they were doing some, some cool stuff. But yeah, I mean, it made tons of sense. Have Bayley or Bianca come in on the hot tag, have have something happen where it was, it was basically Bianca versus the other three and then Bayley tagged herself in to get the pin.

01:08:18:12 – 01:08:55:22
Matt
Yeah. Because she needs an opponent for extreme rules. So now she’s, she’s got that. So that, that, that may have been the one thing on the card that made more sense than anything else. Yeah. So maybe second only to the reuniting of Imperium. Now we did get it. All the names have changed. We got Giovanni Vinci back with Ludvig Kaiser and Gunther just.

01:08:57:00 – 01:09:21:18
Matt
Oh, whatever. But yes, Aichner and. And Bartel are back together. And if they aren’t quickly the challengers for the USOs on smackdown and we’re really really sad because I think I think Aichner and the USOs could just tear shit up. Yeah, that match would be something special, so. Well, here’s hoping that we can get to that.

01:09:21:18 – 01:09:57:05
Jeremy
And then we have a trio that’s not necessarily putting Roman Reigns in the match. You could do solo saikawa. As I say, his name. Yeah. With the USOs against Imperium. Now this new reunited Imperium. We said that could be fun. And then to see. Oh the other other thing I wanted to mention the ads for whales that Michael Cole was doing, which is like I’m used to him shilling for Saudi Arabia to cover up for all those like human rights abuses and then murdering journalists and stuff.

01:09:57:12 – 01:10:04:18
Jeremy
And it was just nice. It’s like, oh, there’s no there’s no, like, hidden undertone to this. It’s just like, oh, yeah, well, looks nice.

01:10:05:01 – 01:10:05:18
Matt
It looks like.

01:10:05:18 – 01:10:06:19
Jeremy
Somewhere I’d like to visit.

01:10:07:04 – 01:10:32:07
Matt
He was like, Cardiff was the, the only place in the UK where women were allowed to wrestle until the end of the eighties. And I like all this stuff. The most amazing thing to me was during the opening match he was spitting off ten year old like shimmer history, like talking about how Oscar and Sky and her sister used to be a faction during their time in Japan.

01:10:32:07 – 01:10:54:02
Matt
So they’re extremely familiar with each other. Like he knew all of this stuff about like Japanese women’s wrestling. And I was just like, where the hell has this guy been? Because I don’t know. I’m telling you, with without Vince in his ear and with Pat McAfee, like making his job more fun for him, Michael Cole has just he’s exploded.

01:10:54:02 – 01:11:04:12
Matt
He’s is he’s on he’s on a level that there aren’t a whole lot of in the history of wrestling commentators. There aren’t a whole lot that is as good as he has been here lately.

01:11:05:00 – 01:11:20:10
Jeremy
Right. Well, I think, you know, you should you should go watch it. We kind of just kind of glossed over the whole show. But I think overall the impression was good and it’s not it wasn’t an incredibly long show. I mean, I guess it was like a little over 383 and 3 hours for the main card.

01:11:22:00 – 01:11:24:11
Matt
Were there any kickoff show matches? Because I.

01:11:24:11 – 01:11:32:13
Jeremy
Didn’t. I think there were something with something to do. I think theory was on the card, but maybe in like a tag match or something.

01:11:32:13 – 01:11:35:03
Matt
I’m not aside from taking a forearm.

01:11:35:21 – 01:11:40:20
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. It looks pretty. A pretty vicious forearm there.

01:11:41:08 – 01:11:44:01
Matt
Yeah. He got it, like right in the side of the neck that had to hurt.

01:11:45:02 – 01:11:58:07
Jeremy
Oh, and then also one last thing, Dominick, going in the tradition of the of the gun club as well. Also, it’s the season of turning on your father. So taken out, taken out. Yeah.

01:11:59:02 – 01:12:24:04
Matt
Since he said he got. Yeah. I was just going to, going to let that one, that one go by the wayside. I still need them to explain to me why this wasn’t a triple threat match or not a triple threat match. A trios match. They they basically just let Rhea Ripley kick the shit out of Dominic all the time anyways and Rey dropkicked her into the barricade.

01:12:24:12 – 01:12:28:15
Matt
So they’re not opposed to, like, women taking bumps from men anymore.

01:12:29:13 – 01:12:29:21
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:12:30:05 – 01:12:47:03
Matt
Plus, she’s she’s a foot taller and, like, £30 heavier than two or three. The guys that were in the match anyway. I mean, she is Damian Priest sighs like just just throw them all in there. Let them go. You know, that.

01:12:47:03 – 01:13:06:00
Jeremy
Was that story, I think, of a priest or like Rhea Ripley is like bag hitting. I forget who it was. Either priest or a Rhea Ripley. One of their bars got like lost, and they were to make the show that night. They just barred each other’s gear because it fit so.

01:13:06:00 – 01:13:29:02
Matt
Yeah, I mean, she’s she’s stocky and she’s she’s she’s the modern China. Let’s just use that. I mean, if you if you play your cards right, they’re never going to be as much fun. But Judgment Day could be like a somehow weird gothic version of of Dex. Hmm.

01:13:29:02 – 01:13:36:18
Jeremy
Well, let’s move on to Worlds Collide. Do you have that information up? Well, what are we got coming on? I know, I know a couple of the matches off the top of my head.

01:13:37:02 – 01:13:57:00
Matt
We have I do know the main event will be for the unification of the next and next UK championship. So long that beautiful beautiful belt it will be Braun Breaker taking on Tyler Bate.

01:13:57:00 – 01:14:27:20
Jeremy
I do feel like for the most part we’re not going to have too many surprises, at least for the UK brand. I kind of feel like it’s going to stay pretty much all on on the U.S. side as much as I think. Tyler Bate It’s amazing that Dunne Bate match from that takeover Chicago from several years ago still like I think about that it was so so good and these two guys had had a the whole of Chicago on their feet.

01:14:28:11 – 01:14:31:04
Matt
It’s the best match I can recall from Chicago.

01:14:31:19 – 01:14:44:18
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Isn’t also Chicago. There’s not the same pay per view. We had the DIY dissolution. Yeah, yeah.

01:14:44:18 – 01:15:09:23
Matt
You can keep putting all out in Chicago. You’re never going to outdo that. Take it over. All right. I actually I truly think that this this could be this could be a good spot for Tyler Bate. I don’t think Braun Breaker is going to be in next he very much longer I kind of feel like there’s a void on the main roster that he could fill pretty quickly.

01:15:11:03 – 01:15:42:07
Matt
So I if if anybody is going to win from the UK side, I really do think it could be Tyler Bate. I think there’s a lot more fun to be had if you put that belt on. Tyler Bate Just from a matchup standpoint. So I’m actually going to predict Tyler Bate there. You know, the smart money is probably on all the all the Americans to retain but yeah, yeah, I’m going that route.

01:15:43:14 – 01:16:03:02
Jeremy
That’ll be a little asterisk that we’re going to put on these predictions. We know it’s probably going to go the way of the U.S. champions or, you know, a regular next year. But at the very least, let let’s we will free to pick whoever we want. So nice. Yeah. I would like I would like Tyler bate to win because I think he’s great.

01:16:03:17 – 01:16:37:20
Matt
All right for the women’s unification, we have Mandy Rose who has just been phenomenal. I can’t give her enough credit for what she’s she’s done during the 2.0 era will take on Meiko Satomura and Blair Davenport Satomura is the UK women’s champion. Blair Davenport was her number one contender prior to the dissolution of the next two UK or temporary or whatever they’re calling it.

01:16:38:13 – 01:16:40:19
Matt
So we have a triple threat match for this one.

01:16:42:03 – 01:17:03:02
Jeremy
I feel like it’s it’s bringing a whole lot of class, having Miko coming in here and being in this match. Like honestly, no offense to the other two ladies, but I think that’s just like there’s like a prestige, I think that’s coming to this match with her in it. I would like her to win, as I already said, my abstract earlier.

01:17:03:02 – 01:17:14:18
Jeremy
So I feel like Mandy is still there for a while, you know, as much as it doesn’t really make sense for her, not for her to be still and why not move on? But I think she’s.

01:17:16:09 – 01:17:39:02
Matt
I agree with you. I think that the only where Mandy Rose is isn’t going to stay there for a little at least a little while longer is if they really did want toxic attraction as a women’s tag team on the main roster and now she needs to kind of slot in that the Freebird spot while I think Gigi did get hurt or is it the other one.

01:17:39:18 – 01:18:00:17
Matt
But I think it will. She heals. Yeah, I actually I think Blair Davenport is the dark horse here. But as much TV time as they’ve given her to kind of like introduce herself, I could see her snatch in this thing. She’s good on the mic. From what I’ve seen, she’s pretty good in the ring. So this this could be.

01:18:01:02 – 01:18:11:11
Matt
This could be a pretty damn good match. I would like to see Satomura win, but I’m going to pull. I’m going to. I’m going to pick Blair Davenport for this one.

01:18:13:01 – 01:18:13:17
Jeremy
Yeah. All right.

01:18:14:11 – 01:18:49:04
Matt
Then we will move on. We have a fatal four way to unify the tag belts so that the match that they didn’t need. Oh, yeah. Eight guys, one ring. It just sounds like a mess. But your favorite guys, Josh Briggs and Brooks Jensen, are in this match for inexplicable reasons. The Creed Brothers are defending as champions against the former next tag champs.

01:18:49:22 – 01:19:03:12
Matt
Pretty deadly. Briggs and Jensen and Gallus will be the fourth team here.

01:19:03:12 – 01:19:23:01
Jeremy
I’m going to go I’m going with the Creed. Brothers are training really. I think it’s going to be a bonkers match or it could be a complete cluster like basically like yeah I don’t know with with a match. And this is going to be one of those things too, right? There’s only going to be maybe like two people in the ring at a time and where like when they’re in the corners, they can like, tag in or something.

01:19:23:06 – 01:19:50:00
Matt
And it’s it is a, it is an elimination match. Oh yeah. So it, it’ll start as a cluster and then it’ll narrow down most likely to Gallus and the Creed Brothers, but. Hmm. I’m picking pretty deadly. I love these guys. They’re fun to watch. The colorful, their little lace crop top outfits are awesome. Like, I love these guys.

01:19:50:00 – 01:20:19:22
Matt
They’re they’re they’re the coolest thing. They’re what I imagine David Bowie would look like if he was a pro wrestler. We are going to have a just a weird random women’s tag championship match here. As the artist formerly known as Katie, Kat and Zorro, now called Katana Chance and her partner, Kayden Carter, will take on the team of Dewdrop and Nikki A.c.h.

01:20:20:16 – 01:20:21:02
Jeremy
Okay.

01:20:22:22 – 01:20:23:18
Matt
I mean, it doesn’t.

01:20:23:18 – 01:20:24:17
Jeremy
Even have us out here.

01:20:25:00 – 01:20:40:22
Matt
It won’t be a bad match. It just it felt. It felt randomly thrown together, I guess because index to UK didn’t have a women’s tag belt and I guess do drop in Nikki s h being oh.

01:20:41:05 – 01:20:41:13
Jeremy
Right.

01:20:41:13 – 01:21:09:14
Matt
From from the UK somewhere or another. It was the easiest way to get it get it in there. I, I don’t see the belt changing hands here. Yeah but it will, it’ll be a good showcase for that because Chance and Carter just won that belt like a week or two ago, and then they’ve got a high bar to beat with, with, with Seamus Gunther, having been so amazing.

01:21:10:04 – 01:21:20:06
Matt
But my, my pick going into the weekend for match of the weekend Carmelo Hayes and ricochet for the North American Championship.

01:21:20:06 – 01:21:45:06
Jeremy
I mean it’ll be great to see ricochet like really just prove what he can do. Like, just I mean he ricochet again. Yeah, I just I remember the first time I heard of Ricochet and it was that ricochet will ospreay match that, you know, all the old timers shit on, but like the everyone else loved and oh, osprey’s gone, osprey’s done, gone on and done.

01:21:45:13 – 01:21:59:01
Jeremy
You know, a lot of no noteworthy things and ricochet hasn’t. And there’s been mostly this booking. So it’s nice. It’s nice to see him really, really get that shot and hopefully he can kind of remind us why he’s good.

01:21:59:16 – 01:22:23:11
Matt
Yeah, we’ve, we’ve said it before, even, even if he was was half the wrestler that he is the charisma alone should get this guy a better booking right. This match is going to be amazing. Everything Carmelo Hayes has done in the last, I don’t know, six months, he’s he’s stolen pretty much every show he’s been on the matches with Grimes were awesome.

01:22:25:04 – 01:22:44:18
Matt
Yeah he’s this this match this match is going to going to tear it up on this card unless Tyler Bate pulls something super special out of Braun Breaker and I don’t see it happening. This match is going to steal this show and they will probably open, which I feel bad for everybody. That has to follow.

01:22:47:06 – 01:23:14:08
Jeremy
A well so let’s let’s go ahead and move on to the right. After worlds collide. We have all out. We all just will kind of do a little lightning round here for the zero hour card. Well, we got to take a moment to acknowledge our king, the mad king, Eddie Kingston, taking on fresh off his suspension, taking on Tomohiro Ishii for their kind of rematch.

01:23:14:08 – 01:23:28:10
Jeremy
They had a match in New Japan, a capital collision, and now they’re going at it again. Kingston Earth. Sorry. I think actually Ishii won. I’m not sure. Either way, it’s just going to be two guys just beating the shit out of each other and that’ll be fun.

01:23:28:22 – 01:23:52:19
Matt
Yeah, just lots of really loud chops in the chest. Yeah, we’re pull. I’m. I’m. Anyway, I’m pulling for Kingston. I need Kingston to win. I want his name at the top of the rankings even though as we’ll talk about probably in the next few minutes, those rankings have proven to be horseshit. So I want Eddie Kingston to just run the table for the next, like, six months.

01:23:53:16 – 01:23:59:00
Matt
Yeah, because there’s a there’s a certain Chicago in who needs another ass whipping.

01:23:59:14 – 01:24:20:11
Jeremy
Yeah. Park versus Kip Sabian for the A.W. All Atlantic Championship. But I’m I’m kind of like excited about this like I think it could be. Could be good. I’m excited. I hope Kip looks good. I remember him looking pretty sharp back before he got injured. So it’d be nice to see if he’s, you know, if he’s all kind of ready to go with the ring rust off.

01:24:20:19 – 01:24:28:07
Jeremy
And I mean, park pretty much always delivers. I still kind of expect this to go PAC’s way, but I hope it’s a good showcase for Kip.

01:24:28:22 – 01:24:32:12
Matt
This is this is Park’s first defense of this belt, isn’t it?

01:24:33:11 – 01:24:56:05
Jeremy
On actual AIW programing. He’s been touring like England and stuff like and defending this on like shows over over there. Like, I guess, you know, staying home. But he’s like he’s defending this on other shows, basically. Possibly he might have might have defended on New Japan strong too. I’m not entirely sure. Either way, he hasn’t really defended it on actual A.W. Taylor.

01:24:56:12 – 01:25:08:03
Matt
Yeah, he won this belt and disappeared until this year’s tournament. So yeah, it’s going to be Poch retaining and I’m just thankful to actually get a park match on a card.

01:25:09:00 – 01:25:27:03
Jeremy
Yeah, we’ve got Hook versus Angelo Parker. It is for the championship, not against Daddy Magic. I’m sorry, I. But I hear Daddy Magic is slightly injured, so he’s that’s why he’s been working. Commentary and stuff recently too. On oh on dark elevation.

01:25:27:14 – 01:25:39:11
Matt
I got nothing but love for cool hand edge too. So I mean, we both know exactly how this match is going to go, but. But it should be a surprisingly good one.

01:25:41:06 – 01:25:56:11
Jeremy
Did you see it? I know. I might have been Rampage or something from a few weeks ago, but that guy from like Jersey Shore or whatever, it was like making his debut against Hook and it was like the shortest squash match I’ve ever seen. And it was like, this guy’s from Jersey Shore. And then he, like, cut a promo.

01:25:56:11 – 01:26:15:00
Jeremy
I was going to take that after championship hook just destroyed him in like 20 seconds. And then like, meanwhile, like, Snooki is like promoting the match and everything. It was it was a it was I mean, on Instagram, she wasn’t actually on a programing because that would have been weird. So that’s it.

01:26:15:20 – 01:26:19:17
Matt
At this point, would it?

01:26:19:17 – 01:26:43:19
Jeremy
I just watch the third episode of She-Hulk Attorney at Law, and there’s some weird ass cameos on this show, that show. But it’s, you know, it’s kind of like an aid programing sometimes. So let’s start at the bottom of the card here. We got House of Black versus Derby, Allen, Sting and Miro. I don’t know if you saw that that promo the other day.

01:26:43:20 – 01:26:57:22
Jeremy
Miro always kills it, but the way that, like, Sting came in there is like the enemy of my enemy is our friends. He, like, yelled, That just made me, like, laugh out loud. I loved it. Yeah, it was so bad and I loved it.

01:26:58:16 – 01:27:22:21
Matt
Yeah, I’m. I’m thrilled about this, though, at this point. Just any time Sting’s in a marquee match, he’s going to do something absolutely insane for a guy that’s almost 70. So I it’s it’s it’s kind of like it used to be when Shane McMahon would have a match. You’re like, what the hell is he going to do now?

01:27:23:14 – 01:27:45:04
Matt
Yeah, I’m thrilled for this house. Black’s probably not going to get a win here. They don’t seem to like having Sting lose the other two. They have no problem giving losses too. But Sting always gets the win. So I’m going to go with Darby. Sting and Miro hopefully kick starting Miro’s redemption train.

01:27:45:20 – 01:28:04:06
Jeremy
Yeah, there’s like, weirdly, like a whole bunch of rumors that, like, Malakai Black won it out of his contract. The Mirror one in his contract, the Miro one was quickly squashed because, like, he got a new contract with a big, big hefty pay raise because apparently his first contract was pretty light. But but I don’t know. Who knows?

01:28:04:09 – 01:28:23:08
Jeremy
So hopefully whoever loses doesn’t take it too personally and and like one out Ricky Starks versus powerhouse Hobbs. Kind of the little grudge match we got going on. I mean, I like both these guys, but I love Ricky Starks. I can’t I can’t vote against that guy.

01:28:24:00 – 01:28:51:02
Matt
I love Ricky Starks. This is going to be the start of Hobbs. Push to the moon. I got a feelin. Yeah, because if I was looking through the the roster if there’s anybody in AIW that stands the remote chance of taking the belt from Wardlow, I think it’s powerhouse Hobbs. He can be built as that guy. And then Wardlow can move on to the bigger belt.

01:28:51:02 – 01:28:51:10
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:28:51:21 – 01:29:05:22
Matt
I think this is. This is the start of that train. Or I hope. Anyways, I also hoped that we wouldn’t have to see a fuckin CM punk rematch a week and a half later. But we don’t get what we want.

01:29:06:14 – 01:29:31:19
Jeremy
Yeah, we’re not dating Winston. Yeah, we got Wardlow and FTR versus Jay Lethal in the Motor City machine guns which no offense to Wardlow and Jay Lethal, but I only get a tattoo here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it it sucks that now these two, by adding the Motor City in machine guns you just made like Wardlow and Jay Lethal, like afterthoughts.

01:29:31:19 – 01:29:52:09
Matt
Really? Yeah, but they. They shouldn’t be in this match. This match should be for the ring of honor. Tag belts. Yeah. And Wardlow and Jay Lethal. I mean, there’s there’s any number of things on this card that they could replace just in a singles match for Ward Lo’s belt. Right. So I it’s it’s a little a little weird.

01:29:53:07 – 01:29:53:16
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:29:54:11 – 01:29:58:14
Matt
But yeah. FDR in the Motor City, machine guns are going to got to put on a show.

01:29:59:22 – 01:30:17:08
Jeremy
And you know, maybe this leads to a like, you know whatever happens this match does lead to whatever ring of honor is next. Like show is could possibly end up being. Yeah just the tag match between those two guys for that belt so maybe that this is on a on a way towards that.

01:30:17:18 – 01:30:44:23
Matt
This could also be a way of I mean, Jay Lee, Jay Lethal, still a phenomenal performer, but he is getting up there in age. So maybe this is a way to have somebody else take the Powerbomb Symphony so Jay Lethal doesn’t have to to eat that in his loss. I don’t know. I don’t see any way that FDR and Wardlow don’t win this, but it should be a pretty good tag showcase.

01:30:45:18 – 01:31:01:00
Jeremy
Wonder if that old man, that I that was wearing clothes from Back to the Future to that was writing love poems to Chris Sabin that asked me to give them to him. I wonder if he’s going to be watching this match, who knows.

01:31:01:12 – 01:31:03:08
Matt
And some from somewhere in the future.

01:31:03:18 – 01:31:06:23
Jeremy
Yeah, either way.

01:31:07:04 – 01:31:07:21
Matt
Chris Uhlmann.

01:31:08:16 – 01:31:35:21
Jeremy
Alex. Alex Shelley is a physical therapist, so if anyone has any issues but anyone has any mouth issues, you’ve got Dr. Britt Baker and you got Alex Shelley for anything else, for any extra help. We got Jungle Boy versus Christian Cage in that grudge match. I feel like this has to be Jungle Boy winning, right? Like. Like I feel like it’s the whole point of Christian Cage working with him is that basically to elevate, you know, getting rid of kayfabe here.

01:31:35:21 – 01:31:57:09
Jeremy
Right. For a second I feel like it’s it’s, you know, this is why Christian Cage work came here to like elevate the young talent and like Jungle Boy desperately. He’s gotten a lot better. He’s still still got a lot of work to go, but he’s got a lot better promo. He was dismal before, you know, Christian started working with him.

01:31:57:09 – 01:32:01:16
Matt
Really? Yeah, he was. He was surprisingly good on on dynamite.

01:32:02:04 – 01:32:02:13
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:32:03:02 – 01:32:26:03
Matt
You know, when he did that, I think he’s getting there. Yeah. I think. Yeah. I hate to say they may have, they may have slightly jumped the gun getting to this point because it felt a little strung out. Yeah. I mean, you waited for six months for for Christian to turn on him like you knew it was coming because that’s who he who he is.

01:32:26:12 – 01:32:41:05
Matt
But yeah, I mean, that promo on Dynamite was was leaps and bounds better than he was a year ago. But yeah, this is this is going to be his is this is going to cement the sand that is currently his pillar of this company.

01:32:42:02 – 01:32:51:22
Jeremy
I, I did very much like Christian’s cage shirt changing from outwork everyone to worked everyone that was a nice touch.

01:32:52:17 – 01:32:55:22
Matt
He’s such a troll. It’s awesome.

01:32:56:06 – 01:33:20:19
Jeremy
Yeah. We got Jade Cargill, the champion versus Athena. I don’t know who is dethroning Jade Cargill, but I just don’t feel like it’s Athena. She brought her cool cosplay gear, and so maybe that’s motivation enough for Athena to like to, like, get motivation. That’s like basically there was a bunch of mention on commentary and how many hours she spent making those like wings that came out.

01:33:21:21 – 01:33:22:12
Jeremy
But who knows?

01:33:23:18 – 01:33:49:00
Matt
I, I don’t know. I’m cert. I’m starting to think that it’s time, but I’m with you. I Athena hasn’t gotten quite the build it’s going to take at this point to dethrone Jade as as just unbeatable as they built her. I don’t know who the hell you bring in to do it. There’s. There’s not even a legend out there that you could bring in.

01:33:49:22 – 01:33:50:06
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:33:50:18 – 01:34:00:20
Matt
So I really that they back themselves into a corner here. She may just have to go undefeated until like 2028 when she takes all of Triple H’s money.

01:34:00:20 – 01:34:05:21
Jeremy
Jesus. I’m just trying to think like I was, like, looking at the.

01:34:06:13 – 01:34:07:20
Matt
Casino ladder match.

01:34:08:08 – 01:34:16:08
Jeremy
No, no, I was just looking at. I was like, well, maybe they’re going to just try to match as many like wins as Goldberg had for his streak is like now that match.

01:34:16:17 – 01:34:18:16
Matt
That’s 380 something.

01:34:18:23 – 01:34:29:04
Jeremy
Yeah that’s nowhere close. But she’s over undertaker’s WrestleMania streak now so who knows what we’re in a high enough spot where he she could she could lose it now.

01:34:31:07 – 01:34:43:12
Matt
I remember the Goldberg days when he would just wrestle, like he’d have, like, four opponents in a single night because the matches were, like 45 seconds. Yeah, he’s they padded the hell out of that number.

01:34:44:18 – 01:34:57:03
Jeremy
The you know, the crazy thing is I’m on a website where it specifically has the all out card and there’s actually no mention of the ladder match on here, which is super weird.

01:34:57:03 – 01:34:58:05
Matt
I’ve got it. Oh.

01:34:58:19 – 01:35:27:20
Jeremy
Here we go. Here we go. Yeah, I got it. Claudio Casanova versus Wheeler, Yuta versus Penthouse zero. Miedo versus Rey, Fenix versus Rush versus Andrade versus Dante. Martin versus the Joker. I you know, there’s a lot of like there’s bets on whether or not MJF is the is the Joker. I just doesn’t think with the the promo he had going out on June 1st, there’s just no way he comes in.

01:35:27:20 – 01:35:39:12
Jeremy
And just like when he comes in and like wins the ladder match the normal way to get, you know, to get a championship shot or something like that, that’s just not going to be how it happened. So I don’t think he’s the Joker.

01:35:40:17 – 01:35:42:22
Matt
And I don’t know that he’s not going.

01:35:42:22 – 01:35:44:11
Jeremy
To play by the rules. I don’t think so.

01:35:44:21 – 01:36:17:05
Matt
So, so much has felt so short sighted lately. That idea of wouldn’t shock me in the least if if that is the case and he wins, just turn the main event off because you’re not going to like the way it ends like we are. We already kind of expect to not like the way it ends, but I could see that the the other I I’m thinking Adam Cole as the joker.

01:36:17:18 – 01:36:19:07
Jeremy
Yeah. I think that makes more sense to me.

01:36:19:07 – 01:36:43:22
Matt
Yeah, it feels more. I don’t know. I mean, he, he hovers around the top of the card when he’s, when he’s healthy, you know, with, with O’Riley on the shelf and Bobby Fish leaving, he doesn’t have a trio anymore. So it’s a way to use Adam Cole in a marquee spot and kind of justify what you’re paying him.

01:36:44:16 – 01:37:04:12
Matt
So I’m going to say Adam Cole is the Joker. I’m going to say Adam Cole wins. I also think that Adam Cole wins because Claudio and Yehuda go at it because they can’t agree on who should win and they get distracted and Adam Cole sneaks up, takes the damn thing.

01:37:06:10 – 01:37:13:03
Jeremy
I would like that. I think I. Adam Cole makes the logical sense on the Joker. Yeah.

01:37:13:04 – 01:37:38:00
Matt
Now you know, the match. The match I would like to see come out of this is Rush versus Marks, because it would be awesome. The promos would be amazing. Yeah. But yeah, I think it’s I think it’s Adam Cole and I think we end up with an Adam Cole CM Punk feud, unfortunately on that. I mean, half of that.

01:37:38:14 – 01:37:42:10
Jeremy
I’m a guess I’m okay with that if that means Adam Cole eventually wins this belt.

01:37:43:04 – 01:37:58:14
Matt
But oh no, after tomorrow night CM Punk is going to hold this belt just long enough to beat whatever Roman’s reign ends up being, because that’s the prick that he is.

01:38:00:09 – 01:38:09:21
Jeremy
Man, I skipped over a couple of matches here. Bryan Danielson versus Chris Jericho. It could be good or it could be terrible, but it’s not going to be. Bryan Danielson Well.

01:38:11:05 – 01:38:42:23
Matt
I honestly, if, if Jericho’s got it in himself to be the Lionheart again and I mean, he’s not going to be, he’s, he looks better, but he’s, he’s not 22 anymore. So the line salts don’t hit like they used to. But if he focuses on if this is a straight up like ground game match where they’re trading submissions and that that could be excellent.

01:38:43:16 – 01:39:00:09
Matt
Yeah. Because both of these guys know how to do a show even they’re doing the slow stuff. But if he, if he gets in here and he’s trying to use Floyd and throw fireballs and all the other bullshit, it’s just going to turn into a mess.

01:39:01:10 – 01:39:20:11
Jeremy
Right? We have Swerve and our glory defending their tag team championship gold versus the acclaimed. Honestly, I do not know who to like. I want it to be the claim, but it just feels like it’s a short ass reign for swerve in our girly glory. But then they’re also singles wrestlers, you know, they.

01:39:20:23 – 01:39:28:04
Matt
They could also be two of the ones still on out of their contracts. Well, I mean, it was on Smackdown.

01:39:29:06 – 01:40:07:04
Jeremy
Apparently not swerve like he’s already like shut down a whole bunch of trolls that have mentioned it but and apparently he had some issues with Triple H. He’s like one of the few people that just, I don’t know, I guess did not get along with Triple H very well. But so I doubt it would be him. And just based off all the I mean, yes, triple H would do much better to Keith Lee than they did with him under Vince with Bear Cat and in all that and with the planned Adam Cole manager, which would have been strange, I think they also wanted Adam Cole to cut his hair to be Keith Lee’s manager.

01:40:07:09 – 01:40:09:18
Jeremy
It’s a weird alternate universe that we could have been in.

01:40:10:04 – 01:40:31:06
Matt
And they wanted him to change his name because they didn’t want people to think he was related to Michael Cole. Yeah, I think that honestly, I think with with Keith Lee, it was a you know, when he was head going through all of his issues, he had a ton of support and then he came back while Triple H was gone and that was not there.

01:40:32:02 – 01:40:59:07
Matt
Yeah. So I think there’s probably a lot of like really good relations, but I don’t think he’s going anywhere. He’s got to be headed for some kind of a singles push with the way he debuted. And but they they really have just overloaded everything. You can’t push anybody. I mean, especially with that piece of shit at the top of the card every week.

01:41:00:11 – 01:41:18:13
Matt
But I honestly, they need to get a TV deal for Ring of Honor and they’ll be fine because you could I mean, Claudio and Keith Lee could probably put on a show for that belt. I mean, Swerve could have some mid-card belt and ring of honor like you. You could do a ton of stuff and kind of kind of spread this stuff out.

01:41:18:13 – 01:41:24:23
Matt
So you don’t you don’t really realize how much TV time punk ass is taken up each week.

01:41:24:23 – 01:41:48:13
Jeremy
Yeah, we got a few things, a few couple of matches coming up here. You know billion matches card we got Toni storm versus Dr. Britt Baker, DMD versus Jamie Hayter versus Hikaru Shida for four way for the Women’s World Championship. I just want anybody but but Britt Baker to win because I think she’s had her time.

01:41:49:03 – 01:42:01:04
Matt
So I think I think the smart money is probably Toni storm but there are some part of me just desperately wants Jamie Hayter to get the win here.

01:42:01:17 – 01:42:08:23
Jeremy
A lot of people are drinking the haterade. They want the they want that that title win. I mean she’s not really radio by saying that.

01:42:09:05 – 01:42:09:23
Matt
Yeah yeah.

01:42:10:18 – 01:42:20:12
Jeremy
And I think I would like that because it would, it would cause some kind of like Britt Baker won’t like that. So so I think I think that’ll be fun.

01:42:20:23 – 01:42:53:13
Matt
She could go back to cutting good promos. She could feud with her immediately and we’d be okay with it because of the story is built in. I don’t know. And then, you know, you’ve got to get to a point where Jade Cargill has been undefeated long enough, where she’s just got to challenge for this belt. Yeah. And Jamie haters I mean she she’s a believable, open so right let’s get to that.

01:42:54:14 – 01:43:21:07
Jeremy
Yeah we have what in my mind is the real main event we have the elite Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks versus the Hangman Order, Adam Page versus the Dark Orders. Alex Reynolds and Jon Silver in the final match of the AIW World Trios Championship. I want to I you know what? I could see it going either way here.

01:43:21:15 – 01:43:44:07
Jeremy
I could see like having the the elite win it and it, which feels like a foregone conclusion type thing. With the other hand, I could see hangman winning this, continuing that story with the elite and also kind of like they’ve kind of decimated the dark order. I could almost be like, you know, like, thank you for almost like thank you for everything you’ve done.

01:43:44:07 – 01:44:02:06
Jeremy
And and what in some ways. But like, I think they could kind of do something cool with this with with Adam in the dark order. So I don’t, I’m not entirely sure how to go like my, my head tells me it’s going to be elite, but, you know, my, my heart wants it to be Adam in the dark order.

01:44:02:19 – 01:44:19:19
Jeremy
I don’t I’m not going to be disappointed either way. I think I think the story that they’re going to tell in the ring over the 20 or so minutes that this match is going to happen is going to be what it’s going to be. One of my highlights beyond, you know, Ishii and Eddie Kingston, like maybe a couple other ones.

01:44:21:00 – 01:44:24:11
Jeremy
And Sting, whatever Sting does, I’m sure I love that, too.

01:44:24:11 – 01:44:51:12
Matt
Yeah, I think there’s and I’ve got to quit doing it because it just disappoints me, particularly with the way Tony Khan is book stuff lately, I look at things in terms of longer term value and there is significantly longer term value in hangman in the dark order taking these belts, it it puts hangman back in a in a better conversation, keeps a belt on him.

01:44:51:12 – 01:45:19:13
Matt
It gives the dark order, TV time that they have been desperately missing from. And the elite don’t need this. Now we eventually and in the not too distant future we’re going to get that FTR young bucks match and it if they’ve got these belts it creates other ripples and hurdles but we’ve we need to get to that before too much longer.

01:45:19:19 – 01:45:53:08
Matt
I mean, supercard of honor maybe too far away to have to wait for this thing. Yeah. Kenny is is not going to not going to hover in the midcard for very long like the, the short term plan has got to be to get Kenny to the top of the card to challenge punk just in case, you know, punk throws a hissy fit, decides he’s going to quit or something, which was apparently an actual concern the last couple of weeks.

01:45:55:02 – 01:46:18:10
Matt
So I don’t I don’t think that it’s it’s crazy to believe that dark order and hangman take these belts, start putting on great matches. I mean, when the who was it? It wasn’t. MJF Yeah, it may have been. And who was it that was doing the matches against the dark order members in all their hometowns?

01:46:18:10 – 01:46:25:21
Jeremy
Oh, I mean, it was a was it was it Danielson? But why would Danielson mean.

01:46:26:00 – 01:46:28:11
Matt
Yeah, to get to hangman, that’s what.

01:46:28:12 – 01:46:29:04
Jeremy
Yeah. Okay.

01:46:29:04 – 01:46:52:06
Matt
He was going to beat the hell out of them all in their hometowns to get to hangman. Like. Like he was doing Mortal Kombat with the dark order. I mean, that was awesome. You know, those guys can all can all wrestle like crazy. I mean, two of those dudes who know and God, who’s ten is ten. The one that’s like a monster.

01:46:53:03 – 01:46:54:05
Jeremy
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

01:46:54:05 – 01:47:16:01
Matt
Like, those guys are enormous. They should be in matches with House of Black every week. Right. So I think there’s there’s so much more that you can do with the trios belts not on your your cows. Kenny in the box, I think I think it does a lot more service to the rest of the roster to put them on dark order and hang them.

01:47:16:01 – 01:47:37:10
Jeremy
Yeah. One thing I will say I like about the the Moxley Samsung thing looking at in a positive way is one thing I like they do in doing is they’ve been kind of weaving in the a story and the appearances throughout the show like MOX is showing up in like kind of multiple like short segments but like, you know, like they pulled apart and stuff.

01:47:37:22 – 01:48:02:06
Jeremy
I like that. I don’t love, you know, I don’t love the actual story that they’ve been telling. But like I, I would like more of that, like where, you know, there needs to be multiple people gunning for the, the world title. There needs to be multiple people gunning for the women’s title. Not just like, okay, we’re waiting in line like and yes, there is the whole ranking system and like that’s kind of somewhat maybe one day how they do.

01:48:02:06 – 01:48:02:20
Matt
It.

01:48:03:12 – 01:48:14:13
Jeremy
Inconsistently, but like, like it needs to be like, I don’t care if I’m fifth ranked or whatever. Like, you know, like there needs to be people like always constantly gunning for those championships, no matter what.

01:48:15:01 – 01:48:37:07
Matt
I’d like, yeah. In any ranking system, as soon as CM Punk lost last Wednesday, Hangman jumps into the first spot and he is the next contender. Like that’s how it. And yet the guy booking this shit runs an NFL team. He knows how rankings work. Normally he’s looking up from the bottom, but he still knows how rankings work.

01:48:38:02 – 01:48:38:07
Jeremy
Yeah.

01:48:38:16 – 01:48:47:14
Matt
So it’s. I don’t know. I don’t know Dave. They’ve abandoned that thing. Like I think when Mark got injured.

01:48:47:15 – 01:48:48:08
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah.

01:48:48:08 – 01:49:11:21
Matt
When Moxley got the, got the nod and like it didn’t seem to make sense. Like you look back through it, you realize, oh, shit, that guy hasn’t lost a match since like March of 2020 or something. And like, so, yeah, he should be ranked up there and it’s weird that he didn’t appear that way in the rankings to begin with.

01:49:12:22 – 01:49:28:06
Matt
Yeah, but yeah, like if you’re basing it on any sort of legitimate ranking system, a guy that only wrestles once a month and lost a week ago could not be higher ranked than anybody else. Yeah, like, I’m sorry. That’s just how this shit works.

01:49:29:06 – 01:49:56:03
Jeremy
Yeah, it’s. Yeah, it is. What is it? What the problem was? It’s just like the rankings in theory works when no one gets injured. And then he can just, like, book the story that he actually, like, wanted to wanted to book, but, like, that didn’t happen. So we are where we are. But anyway, I’m hoping that somehow Max beats punk even shorter amount of time that he beat him the last time.

01:49:57:19 – 01:50:15:20
Jeremy
I don’t know if that’s going to happen. I think there is a wildcard in the fact that MJF would be at some points in the mix. I feel like if MJF doesn’t show up tomorrow, then there really is some kind of intractable issue that they can’t solve. But that feels like the perfect time for him to show up.

01:50:16:03 – 01:50:38:06
Jeremy
I don’t think he would have been gone as long. Possibly a punk wasn’t. He didn’t injure himself. So I think punk injured himself. That messed up. The plan is just like to stay off TV for even longer, like and just like, enjoy a vacation or something. So there’s a possibility that Max wins because MJF messes it up. But then that just keeps I almost.

01:50:38:11 – 01:50:55:13
Jeremy
But I think I think punk wins and maybe MJF comes out afterwards and messes messes things up after after that, because I just don’t think he wants punk to win because he’s beat punk before. So they were going to continue that storyline. I guess so.

01:50:56:02 – 01:51:07:06
Matt
I don’t know. I’m going to I’m going to go wild with this prediction and say that the rest of the shield shows up and beat the shit out of CM Punk. We get a triple powerbomb through the commentary table.

01:51:08:21 – 01:51:24:03
Jeremy
I You know what? There is a promo that mocks cut. Like, right after he he became the undisputed champion. Where are you talking about? My time is now, and I’m like, Oh, man, let’s get Cena for this. This world championship match. That would have been amazing.

01:51:24:05 – 01:51:34:08
Matt
I mean, he’s under incredibly lucrative contract to Warner, and they need anything to go right for them right now. So I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility.

01:51:34:22 – 01:51:41:15
Jeremy
I don’t care if it’s in full peacemaker, in full peacemaker gear. Let’s just make it happen.

01:51:41:22 – 01:51:49:19
Matt
I mean, I’m pulling for Juan Cena, but bring me purple lucha. D’oh! Cena! Let’s do it.

01:51:51:03 – 01:52:01:18
Jeremy
Yeah. So whether or not I turn off this the, the thing after the trios, I’m like, do I want to watch this or not? I don’t know. I’m hoping it’s I’m hoping I’m somehow like surprised.

01:52:02:02 – 01:52:10:22
Matt
At least for you. It’s on the West Coast. For me, that match is going to go until like one in the fuckin morning.

01:52:10:22 – 01:52:34:11
Jeremy
Well, we reached the end of the card. So I think I think looking at the card overall, there’s definitely some stuff to like on here. I just don’t think I’m gonna like the main in this. It feels like some of those WrestleMania as we go to where it was just constantly Brock and Roman and you know, we sat there and watched it, but we were like, we just don’t want to watch this again.

01:52:35:02 – 01:52:42:20
Jeremy
So, you know, whatever. It’s all a big joke.

01:52:42:20 – 01:52:46:12
Matt
Yeah, yeah. We’ve get sound effects. Now.

01:52:47:01 – 01:52:50:15
Jeremy
I forget that this is here, so. My bad. So.

01:52:51:10 – 01:52:52:13
Matt
All right, what should do?

01:52:54:02 – 01:53:01:01
Jeremy
Yeah. Should ring the bell. Subscribe, like subscribe. Were you using that as a cue to ask if you should say that? I don’t know.

01:53:01:16 – 01:53:08:08
Matt
Oh, no. I just wanted to see if you if you could do the rundown. I mean, I fumble my way through it, so.

01:53:09:02 – 01:53:27:07
Jeremy
Yeah. Tell your friends and if you, you know, if you want to come on the show, let us know we can, you know, if you want to, to tell us why we’re wrong about CM Punk. I mean, sure, I control the soundboard, so I might just, like, you know, do something like this.

01:53:28:20 – 01:53:59:00
Matt
Yeah, right. I control the verbiage in the blurb so I could make you look like a real piece of shit before anybody even clicks on it. So. But I do desperately want somebody to to come on and finally debate me on on the goat, because, you know, I’ve been I’ve been itching for it. So if anybody wants to come on and tell me why I’m wrong in saying that Shawn Michaels is the goat.

01:53:59:00 – 01:54:00:02
Matt
Yeah, let’s do it.

01:54:00:02 – 01:54:23:06
Jeremy
So, yeah, let us know. We can. We can definitely have you on here and in. Yeah, let’s, let’s, let’s do it and enjoy the wrestling. At least Clash of the Champions. Or Clash. Sorry, Clash at the Castle was fun so far. So hopefully tomorrow actually kind of delivers as well. Like, I mean, today was fun. I respect even better things tomorrow hopefully fingers.

01:54:23:06 – 01:54:25:16
Matt
Get really really high. Hopes for worlds collide.

01:54:25:16 – 01:54:30:03
Jeremy
So yeah. All right.