Episode 7: The Ocho – Season 04, Episode 7

The Ocho: yes, we know Spanish, or at least a little, and have a translator. Lots of rasslin’ fun this week recapped as we eagerly anticipate the White Rabbit. Now Scissor Me, Daddy A**!!!

Swerve in our Glory visiting a Brooklyn middle school.

Transcript (Made by Robots)

00:00:01:14 – 00:00:30:11
Jeremy
And we are maybe like, yeah, I think we are actually are live on Facebook right now. So if you’re just happening to be like, what the hell is this is in my feed. This is the Dark Match podcast where we talk about wrestling for, I don’t know, 20, 30 minutes. This is episode eight or sorry, this is episode the show that we’re calling it, but it’s actually episode seven because why not in in honor of.

00:00:30:20 – 00:01:10:03
Matt
And I, I just I want to jump right in and talk about the yeah. The best thing in wrestling. It’s scissor me daddy ass. Let’s, let’s just throw this out there. Scissor me daddy ass has become the most amazing thing in professional wrestling. It’s a career resurgence for the great Billy Gunn. And I just I honestly, it was funny before, but when Taz is on the commentary desk and Excalibur and Shivani are talking and Taz just subtly keeps saying, Scissor me, daddy is like, it’s the best thing in wrestling.

00:01:10:21 – 00:01:14:19
Matt
It’s also now accompanied by the GW Tag Team Championship.

00:01:14:19 – 00:01:37:03
Jeremy
Nice. Well, if you’re watching this on the Facebook Live stream, I think we might have like having a little bit of a video issue. So it might actually not be broadcast anymore. So I hope you enjoy it for if anyone watching and listening to this podcast later like, oh, I was enjoying that and now I’m now I can’t see anything or hear anything.

00:01:38:02 – 00:01:40:12
Jeremy
I’m hoping you actually found the podcast, so it’d be great.

00:01:41:07 – 00:01:50:04
Matt
If it’s on YouTube. If you really need to see us while you listen to us talk about it, it’s on me.

00:01:50:15 – 00:02:13:23
Jeremy
So yeah, scissor me daddy. There is one tweet earlier that I sent you, but I’ll share on this podcast here. There’s two. Actually, if I was in middle school right now, I absolutely would have been suspended at least once for screaming scissor me daddy ass and scissoring my friends in the lunchroom. I mean, we kind of skirted the line in in high school with the whole dark stuff.

00:02:13:23 – 00:02:43:03
Jeremy
There is definitely teachers that didn’t like that at the time. And then another tweet, this one’s from Boss Mars. Billy Gunn used to tell people to suck it. Now he patiently waits for consent to scissor. That’s growth right there. So I think that’s Billy Gunn changing with The Times, and I love it. Let’s talk about before we get to Jim, more on the AIW, let’s talk about the the White Rabbit.

00:02:43:03 – 00:02:52:04
Jeremy
And I only want to hear wrong answers for predictions on who the white rabbit is.

00:02:52:04 – 00:02:56:14
Matt
I mean, it’s it’s the whitest of rabbits. It’s it’s got to be the return. Right. Okay.

00:02:56:17 – 00:03:10:23
Jeremy
I also thought that or just clearly, Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon and like a bunny costume, but just just not even the costume. Just the head. And that’s it.

00:03:10:23 – 00:03:33:20
Matt
I did see. And maybe you may have even sent it to me this this really wild fan theory that the White Rabbit is is actually just going to be Karrion Kross. But he is the somehow Bray Wyatt is coming back and all of his Firefly fun house characters are coming to life. And that’s why Karrion Kross is the White Rabbit.

00:03:35:06 – 00:04:07:02
Matt
So maybe it is Vince McMahon, because Vince was it. He was one of the puppets, too. I mean, you know that I would like to see them do something, give give Bray a faction back if he does come back, I mean, which it’s looking pretty damn likely. But yeah, that sounded cool to me. Although the guy that made the fiend mask posted that terrifying picture of a white rabbit the other day.

00:04:07:11 – 00:04:17:22
Matt
And if he if he reemerges on TV wearing that, they they better just go ahead and drop the PG rating, because that, I think was terrifying.

00:04:19:04 – 00:04:31:18
Jeremy
Yeah. So have you have you seen just on a random note, have you seen the Winnie the Pooh kind of horror movie that is going to be coming out here pretty soon now that. Yeah, Abby Milne I.

00:04:31:18 – 00:04:32:04
Matt
Have the.

00:04:32:05 – 00:04:39:02
Jeremy
Copyright is gone into the public domain now that it’s available for all sorts of things including horror films.

00:04:40:14 – 00:04:49:12
Matt
So well it’s Tigger and Piglet or Piglet and to go on a rampage.

00:04:49:12 – 00:05:12:06
Jeremy
So one thing I was thinking about is how and I was kind of thinking about this, the context of Malakai Black as well in the House of Black Bray, Wyatt always had the ability less so with the fiend. But, you know, he’d always get these, like, really cool build ups and really cool, like programs, and then he would always lose.

00:05:12:22 – 00:05:16:08
Jeremy
Do you think this is going to change with new Triple H in charge?

00:05:16:08 – 00:05:40:23
Matt
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I had the worst idea they ever had was to build the fiend like they did and then have him know what it was like. His first big match, wasn’t it, that he he’d lost to them. Something like there’s some shit like come on now, I mean, the, the, the feud with, with Randy Orton was great.

00:05:42:00 – 00:05:42:10
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:05:42:16 – 00:05:43:00
Matt
You know.

00:05:43:07 – 00:05:45:11
Jeremy
He’s I mean, I love the match of John Cena.

00:05:45:11 – 00:06:14:15
Matt
The range and everybody seems to like working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s. Yeah, I do, I do believe if he’s willing to come back at this point that it’s, it’s because he’s had a long sit down with Triple H and they have mapped out something he’s comfortable with, because I know that the reason that he was he was just ready to go was that he butted heads with Vince so often, like the Firefly funhouse match.

00:06:14:15 – 00:06:26:18
Matt
Never would have happened if John Cena hadn’t gone to bat for him. So I think I think this this version’s not going to get built up for three months and then then lose their first pay per view match.

00:06:26:18 – 00:06:48:13
Jeremy
Right. Yeah. Because I think, I think it is hard to build a supernatural character. I think undertaker is like the the exception to that and I mean even then he’s probably had some big losses if we don’t think about it. But he had the streak, which is its own thing. But I think it is hard to do that.

00:06:48:23 – 00:07:08:15
Jeremy
A supernatural character and a serious wrestling show and build both. And especially if you have the character win. And I think AIW also had that problem. But I mean, of course, with Vince in control, it seemed like he was always kind of hot and cold on Bray. And, you know, he was cold on Bray when it mattered most.

00:07:09:01 – 00:07:14:08
Jeremy
And that that kind of sucks.

00:07:14:08 – 00:07:36:07
Matt
Well, yeah, he he seems to have this this tendency to to want something supernatural on the show on Tuesday and then by Thursday he doesn’t want it anymore and rips up the script. Yeah. Because apparently that was that was a sticking point on judgment day and that’s why edge wanted out. And then now they have not even remotely gone that route.

00:07:36:07 – 00:08:12:23
Matt
I mean, and Vince Vince was still in control during the edge transition to Finn Balor, who worked a supernatural gimmick pretty well. You know, when they when they were still letting him do the demon. So I think there’s hope. I would almost very much like Judgment Day to just sort of fade out and and bray to team up with the demon balor because that would be a really cool thing to just if they’re going to stick with the supernatural thing, I think you kind of lump lump it together.

00:08:12:23 – 00:08:35:22
Matt
That’s why Kane and Undertaker work so well together. And I think I think Undertaker, too, he had the benefit of like he just had like an aura about him when he first came out. The supernatural stuff kind of, kind of emerged later on. Whereas when they tried to like shoehorn the supernatural stuff in, it kind of loses its luster pretty quickly.

00:08:35:22 – 00:08:51:18
Matt
So I hope that that they can find a way to make it less supernatural and more just, you know, an unbeatable monster kind of thing. He’s basically make make Bray the Goro of this this Mortal Kombat.

00:08:52:16 – 00:08:53:02
Jeremy
Right?

00:08:53:06 – 00:08:54:04
Matt
It would work for me.

00:08:54:17 – 00:09:23:08
Jeremy
It’ll be interesting to see what they do with Bray this time around. I got to say, I was in in Smackdown last week and they just, you know, unprompted, during one of the commercials, commercial breaks played the Feed Your Head White Rabbit song from Jefferson Airplane star A.W. has Jefferson Starship and WB has Jefferson Airplane, which apparently is actually is related.

00:09:23:09 – 00:09:44:22
Jeremy
It’s not all the same members, but it’s like they’re shared some of the same members. It actually is the same, essentially the same band. And it was just really cool and eerie and like the fact that they had like a a cappella version of the song, too. So it wasn’t it wasn’t like with the music that you heard in that matrix trailer, that still depresses me.

00:09:44:22 – 00:10:10:16
Jeremy
That was not very good, but yeah, it was really cool, really creepy. I was there with someone that worked on the Bellas A&E documentary and he was like, I don’t know what the fuck is happening, but this is cool. So he was his his entry into it is pretty much all the women’s wrestlers of WWE. So it was kind of interesting to see who he popped for.

00:10:10:21 – 00:10:43:11
Jeremy
Natalia came out with the first segment after for a dark match segment with Ronda, and he popped four for Natalia because like, you know, he in the context of the Bellas and stuff, she was one of those people, like someone we’ll talk about a little bit later that was really kind of like given great matches. And then Nikki kind of also kind of stepped up to the plate when women’s wrestling wasn’t great in WWE.

00:10:44:07 – 00:11:09:19
Jeremy
And so that’s the kind of context he was coming out of from it. But overall, I enjoyed it. It’s just great to see the brawling brutes and the Imperium. Imperium go at it. It’s I could watch that any time. And it’s cool that we’re going to get a number one contenders. Are they going to keep those belts on the USOs forever?

00:11:10:00 – 00:11:22:07
Jeremy
Who knows? It kind of feels like it. Like I feel like we got to give here somewhere. We’re just randomly stripping titles from some of the bloodlines, so why not?

00:11:22:07 – 00:11:46:05
Matt
Yeah, which was kind of an odd choice. It like your biggest issue is that that you’ve unified these other belts and the guy that only has one is the one that you’re stripping a belt from. I mean, the USOs have got to drop something at some point. They can’t be on every show. Plus, I mean, how many matches is the rock supposed to have at WrestleMania?

00:11:46:05 – 00:12:25:17
Matt
He can’t just is he going to run through the whole bloodline? Is it the rock like in a single Man Survivor series match against the bloodline, like with Paul Heyman, I guess Sami Zayn could fill in so they’d have five, but speaking of Sami Zayn and you were at Smackdown, that pop for Sami was huge. He has somehow just accidentally become the biggest face on that on a show that’s got Drew McIntyre and and three or four other of their likes their top face guys like Sami Zayn has quietly snuck in there and stole that, that spot.

00:12:27:12 – 00:12:56:10
Matt
Like, it’s been fun to watch because he is having a blast doing this if you follow his Twitter at all. He I mean, he just tweets the most ridiculous stuff. So I hope that, you know, the the USOs and Roman have as much fun with it as he does. Roman seems to. So it’s that that’s been cool to watch Sami become the biggest face in WWE.

00:12:56:10 – 00:13:15:10
Matt
Although if if it’s to be believed, definitely Logan Paul is the currently the biggest face but he he got I thought he was going to get booed out of the friggin building which like warmed my heart that LA just trashed him so hard.

00:13:15:10 – 00:13:34:02
Jeremy
Yeah, it was, it was kind of nuts and, and I just. I’m glad to see them not like him. You know, the thing that sucks is just like I think Kofi was saying to. It’s just like he shouldn’t be this good either in the ring, which is also thing. He’s a good heel. He is a good heel. Yeah.

00:13:34:02 – 00:13:54:11
Jeremy
And like, if he just leaned into that, but maybe he just wants the challenge of trying to be a face before before going there. But it’s, I don’t know. It’s going to be interesting. I thought it was really interesting how they did not mention Saudi Arabia or crown jewel at all on the Smackdown broadcasts and how they saved that for a separate press conference.

00:13:54:23 – 00:14:10:18
Jeremy
I think Triple H is going to be like, okay, contractually, we have to do this, do this show. And they’re because they’re paying us a lot of money and we, you know, signed contracts. We’re not going to back out. But like, how can we do it? So it’s not affecting so we make him even more of a house show.

00:14:10:23 – 00:14:35:16
Jeremy
A house show that we televise. But like we make it unimportant for the normal WWE audience. And I think that’s what what they’re doing while at the same time to Saudi Arabia, they’re saying, oh, look how this is important. This is we’re having this press conference here in Saudi Arabia and having Roman fight this person that you think is so cool apparently, the prince is a big Logan Paul fan.

00:14:35:17 – 00:14:38:18
Jeremy
I guess so. Yeah.

00:14:38:19 – 00:15:08:05
Matt
It’s I mean, it’s if nothing else, that the 60 million people that follow Logan Paul on social media probably don’t give two shits about the the the blood money or the, the, the human rights violations that caused the rest of us to get chills at the fact that they keep doing these things just because I’ve I’ve I’ve seen clips of impaulsive and he says he says some things man.

00:15:08:15 – 00:15:33:01
Matt
And like, I’m just waiting for the day that, that he gets in that damn boxing ring and Tyson Fury knocks his head off just waiting on it. What I was really hoping that they’d they’d find a way to pull that off at Clash of the Castle. But yeah, the Fury’s are going to get a hold of the Paul brothers and it’s not going to be pretty for them.

00:15:33:20 – 00:15:37:01
Jeremy
What singalong do they have after beating the Paul Brothers?

00:15:38:06 – 00:16:04:09
Matt
Oh, I hope they do. Some old gypsy tune in a language that nobody understands, and it’s just the two of them. Like the crowd doesn’t sing with them or anything. Yeah. No, I can’t wait for the day that that, you know, either one of them just gets knocked the hell out. It’s you can’t, you can’t keep boxing washed up athletes and acting like you’re good at something.

00:16:04:20 – 00:16:27:06
Matt
I mean, that would be like I don’t know if Tom Brady had like a long, long pass competition with, like, some 23 year old hotshot. Like, he’s he’s in his mid-forties, man. Like, he could he could still get the job done on the field. But like, let’s let’s let’s be reasonable here.

00:16:28:08 – 00:16:35:18
Jeremy
Yeah. So anything interesting happening on on raw?

00:16:35:18 – 00:17:02:17
Matt
A really good match between Bobby Lashley and Rollins. That was it. Got one of them. WWE going to WWE endings and Matt Riddle cost Seth Rollins the win didn’t actually get involved just the entrance music and he walked out on the ramp which is you know, you got a you got a £280 guy waiting to beat your head and don’t even turn around and look when the music starts.

00:17:04:01 – 00:17:42:04
Matt
But that match was great. Bobby Lashley continues to be a bright, shiny star that’s not getting the credit he deserves. I’m trying to remember what else. Bayley And damage control, which sounds more like an MTV reality. We watch, we watch YouTube videos and critique them show than anything else she got. She got a hell of a pop because they were in San Jose and then proceeded to to crap on the city and the hockey team and you know, do heel things.

00:17:42:16 – 00:18:10:03
Matt
She continues to excel. AEO and Dakota are they’re marvelous in the ring. Maybe not not the greatest promos so it’s good to to pair them with Bayley she is going to get her raw women’s championship match at extreme Rules. They have not added a stipulation for that one yet. Rollins and Riddle will settle their differences in another match.

00:18:10:03 – 00:18:32:06
Matt
This one in a a fight pit, which I don’t really know what that means in the context of WWE and what Peacock’s willing to do. But I mean, see, maybe there maybe there’s a new Mortal Kombat movie that they’re going to drop a trailer for in the middle of this thing. So they’re literally going to fight in the pit for Mortal Kombat.

00:18:32:13 – 00:18:38:10
Matt
Well, at this point, I’ve referenced it twice, so I’m going to need there to be a new Mortal Kombat. At some point.

00:18:39:11 – 00:19:09:22
Jeremy
They’re going to end up having bringing back Raw Underground and Shane McMahon, now that Vince is gone, like Shane McMahon is going to come back and just bring back Ronda Rousey for no good reason. Yeah. And it’ll be facing omos and I don’t know. And then Alexi, we had the cat already mentioned that Solo was stripped of his title that he won one week ago because some technicality about how he wasn’t in a fan poll or something on who Carmella should face.

00:19:10:17 – 00:19:37:23
Matt
He wasn’t actually there were there were three possible choices in the fan vote. And then when Wesley won that, he got jumped by Carmelo and tricked. And then when when they went to the ring and we’re talking crap about West not being able to make it for the match so low Saikawa just kind of showed up and the match happened.

00:19:39:12 – 00:20:01:06
Matt
So somebody at Gorilla told him to go out there. We’ve, we’ve, there’s, there’s no more kayfabe like we know you’re sitting there. So this, this, it, it didn’t work real well. I’ve heard a lot of lot of negativity in the Internet wrestling community about randomly stripping him of this belt.

00:20:01:06 – 00:20:17:05
Jeremy
Yeah, because, I don’t know, was there just a way could he have not just, you know, even if he didn’t show up or defend it between now and Halloween havoc like couldn’t can he just like lost it there? Like, I don’t understand unless yeah.

00:20:17:05 – 00:20:26:01
Matt
I mean I don’t see any, any way given what they just did this week that he’s not one of the six that ends up in that ladder match.

00:20:26:01 – 00:20:26:11
Jeremy
Right.

00:20:27:20 – 00:20:49:18
Matt
At which point he’ll probably just win the belt anyway. So I don’t know if if there was just some test audience that was like, we don’t like the way you did this because he wasn’t one of the three. But realistically, nobody wanted to see Von Wagner do anything and anything to keep Joe Gacy from holding the title works for me.

00:20:50:01 – 00:21:25:14
Matt
So well, yeah, it’s it. I don’t know. And, like, it just seems, it seems like he’s going to be in that ladder match and probably get that belt anyways. So like, like you said, just leave the belt on him, you’ve got to have the qualifying matches for the, the other contenders anyways. So you could have done that either way without having that, unless you just wanted to put Shawn Michaels on TV for a few minutes, which you know, maybe that’s what they wanted to do next.

00:21:25:14 – 00:21:55:15
Matt
He like that if they’re going back to to pre 2.0 and T the format did generally involve a heavily involved GM which we all know now is Shawn Michaels. So maybe this was just the first step in getting him on TV and establishing that in, you know, TV canon, you know, so he can he can play the regal role in Annex D 3.0 when we return to black and gold.

00:21:55:15 – 00:21:58:04
Matt
And Poppy is there every other week.

00:21:58:04 – 00:22:07:23
Jeremy
And yeah, well, it’ll be interesting to see how that changes, but I don’t know. I don’t have no idea what that’s going to do. Let’s.

00:22:08:07 – 00:22:35:07
Matt
Oh, I guess the other the other big thing from RAW was the it happened a little earlier in the day, but it was announced the Survivor series will be wargames themed. They’re not doing traditional brand split garbage. This time, thank God. Right. Because that that basically they have to split the difference and and Fox gets to win two and and USA gets their one consolation prize.

00:22:36:10 – 00:23:08:06
Matt
So this year there will be two wargames matches it will be the the men’s Survivor series and the Women’s Survivor series matches will be replaced with two wargames matches. So there won’t be the general. I don’t believe there will be the general elimination style with the sole survivor kind of thing. But yeah, anything that kind of shakes it up because they they with the leaning on the brand split, they had, they had let things get a little bit stale.

00:23:09:13 – 00:23:14:20
Matt
Plus, you can’t have champion versus champion matches when the bloodline holds all the belts.

00:23:14:20 – 00:23:15:08
Jeremy
That’s true.

00:23:15:09 – 00:23:37:02
Matt
So I guess Jimmy and Jay could have had a match and to decide that better. So but I mean, that that’s pretty much all you could have done for for the majority of the show. Not that I would have had a problem with Uzo versus Uzo. Right. Because, you know, main event, Jay was was killing it when Jimmy was hurt.

00:23:37:11 – 00:23:56:10
Matt
So I wouldn’t mind seeing them go at it. But yeah, that was the the biggest takeaway from from the the Monday night was that WarGames will be Survivor series and that would be an ideal place for a Austin theory. Cash in.

00:23:56:16 – 00:24:21:22
Jeremy
Yeah I think I’m going to just go ahead and say we’re going to going to have the bloodline in a match on one of those sides. The men’s. You’ve got enough people pretty much right. Like a solo Sammy the USOs and Roman right there. That’s like five person team. I don’t know who they face necessarily. It could be a hodgepodge of a couple of of other people.

00:24:21:22 – 00:24:52:07
Matt
Probably probably, Drew, I would imagine the street profits so that Montez can do something crazy off the top of that cage. Who else if they got issues solo to the I don’t know because he hadn’t been there long enough to really have a feud. Right. I’ll just just do a solid, solid and throw AJ Styles in there to give him something meaningful.

00:24:52:13 – 00:24:59:15
Matt
Because if you, if you remember AJ Styles having those extreme rules matches with with Roman is what got Roman over.

00:24:59:16 – 00:25:00:01
Jeremy
Yeah.

00:25:00:02 – 00:25:02:04
Matt
So let’s, let’s throw him a bone here.

00:25:02:14 – 00:25:15:17
Jeremy
Yeah. I and it possibly damage control. It seems like they’re building them up for the women’s side, you know, damage control plus two friends that they make or something. I don’t know, two other heels ladies.

00:25:16:00 – 00:25:30:02
Matt
I, I could see the the the two from toxic attraction rounding out that squad because they they were in the the war games last year weren’t they all the toxic attraction.

00:25:30:02 – 00:25:31:12
Jeremy
That sounds right to me.

00:25:32:13 – 00:25:49:16
Matt
And then Corey Jade and you know Raquel and not Dakota. Dakota was with the toxic attraction, I think. I don’t remember. I’m pretty sure that at least at least Dolan and Jesse Jane were were in that match.

00:25:49:18 – 00:25:51:11
Jeremy
But yeah.

00:25:51:21 – 00:26:17:02
Matt
So they would be and then a bad a bad pair. But then you just what what two faces do you throw on the Bianca Oscar and Alexa Bliss side, right. Oh, well, that’s another another thing that I’ve been toying with. What happens to Alexa Bliss? One’s Bray comes back. She’s still carrying this thing around.

00:26:17:02 – 00:26:43:17
Jeremy
They. I think that they’re going to do some kind of acknowledgment of it. But I think she’s going to quietly move away from it. Or maybe not. I don’t know. This seems like they they do kind of like at least want to wrap up the storyline somehow. But I don’t necessarily how you wrap up mental illness.

00:26:43:17 – 00:26:55:06
Matt
If if Karrion Kross is the white rabbit, does the Scarlett become Sister Abigail?

00:26:55:06 – 00:26:59:05
Jeremy
Maybe. I don’t think it’s going to be Karrion Kross, but.

00:27:00:00 – 00:27:08:04
Matt
Yeah, but I don’t know. Yeah, we’ll see. 923 tomorrow night, Eastern Standard Time.

00:27:09:12 – 00:27:23:16
Jeremy
When I heard that date, I was like, Oh, okay, we got a couple of weeks and then I just didn’t realize it was Friday was this Friday until you were talking to me about like, Oh, we should try to livestream or something like that, which we’re not going to do. But, but I was just like, Oh yeah, in a couple of weeks will livestream and I just did it.

00:27:23:16 – 00:27:32:05
Jeremy
That did not dawn on me that it was that far, it was this close. I almost kind of thought they would tease it out a few more weeks, but let’s do it.

00:27:33:13 – 00:27:43:16
Matt
Yeah, I’m. I’m going to go pick up an antenna just so I can get Fox, because the Fox app is terrible. If you if you are listening to this and you work for Fox, please fix your app.

00:27:44:10 – 00:28:13:08
Jeremy
Yeah. Let’s talk a little bit about Grand Slam now. Let’s just go ahead and say to me, the coolest moment of it was Soraya, formerly known as Paige, kind of debuting after the Women’s Match. Women’s match was was fine. They felt like in a weird way, the fact they did another fatal four way just felt like a repeat of all out in a way, even though it was different different competitors.

00:28:13:08 – 00:28:37:06
Jeremy
But and Serena needs to scrape but that was a huge pop. You’re talking about Sami getting a huge pop. It’s like page two or Soraya definitely got the biggest pop. And I’m hoping she’s actually healthy. I’m hoping she’s not, you know, kind of going against doctor’s wishes and w just like, just like, oh, I’m sure she’ll be fine or something.

00:28:37:06 – 00:28:44:07
Jeremy
I hope she got the whole Christian edge. Daniel Bryan Like clearing King to be here.

00:28:45:21 – 00:29:09:12
Matt
Well, she she mentioned on social media not too long ago that she was in great shape and could get back in the ring. And the reports today were that, you know, Triple H had reached out, was interested in bringing her back to. So I’m going to if if if he made that phone call, he’d done due diligence and a doctor had had given her the the the green light.

00:29:10:00 – 00:29:35:15
Matt
So I think she’s there to wrestle. Otherwise having her come out and, you know, all of the all the women in the women’s division get pissed off, doesn’t do us any good. I think her and Serena Deeb are going to have one hell of a match. I texted you last night. How did how did Athena end up in a women’s championship match after she just lost a TBS championship match it all out.

00:29:35:15 – 00:29:57:10
Jeremy
I don’t know. But I’m hoping between Paige being, I think, a probably a good advocate for the women as well, just no matter what, just her being there. I think will help. And then I think, you know, I think Madison Rayne is not great in the ring, but I was talking with somebody that did watch her when she was kind of in her prime, I would say.

00:29:57:22 – 00:30:27:13
Jeremy
And she she is really he thinks that there would be a really good coach and that they’ve already seen some kind of improvement in the women women’s division. So I’m hoping that between Paige being there and between hopefully Madison Rayne making being a positive influence, even if she’s not that great in the ring, I’m hoping that leads to a lot more things for the women, because you could say that Paige was also kind of the start of that revolution with the next T championship.

00:30:28:20 – 00:30:32:00
Jeremy
We see the inaugural Alexa women’s champion.

00:30:32:23 – 00:30:34:17
Matt
I believe so, yeah.

00:30:35:11 – 00:31:00:15
Jeremy
Like her and Seth and the inaugural champions? I think so. I think I think she can do a lot. I think she was a big part of the WWE thing, even though it’s mainly credited to the the the four ladies that do not include Paige. But I think she’s a big influence. She’s made some some unfortunate personal decisions that have like in some cases probably messed with her career and stuff as well.

00:31:00:15 – 00:31:33:05
Jeremy
So hopefully she’s doing all right and, you know, doing well and yeah, let’s see some of the matches we had. So one thing I noticed, we were talking about kind of the the WWE ending, but unfortunately I think there were a few matches that ended in cheating and of course a couple of them were like right in a row we had Claudio Carson really defending against Chris Jericho.

00:31:33:19 – 00:32:04:19
Jeremy
And what did we have it? We had some cheating. And Chris Jericho is now the dishonorable ring of honor world champion. And then in the versus orange Cassidy match, again another another cheat to win that felt less deliberate but it’s still just like there was too many matches in one hour where the result was winning by cheating. Yeah.

00:32:04:23 – 00:32:50:16
Matt
So I mean, especially if you’re going to have the, I think the tag belts needed to change hands clean, especially since you’re just going to have swerve go heel and and Keithley, you know, break away from him anyway. I think those belts needed to change hands clean because I mean the acclaimed or if they’re a face team at this point, you know the gun club they were heels swerving or glory became heels as soon as swerve started turning off the fans like so the acclaimed needed a face win there and they kind of so I mean anything to see Billy Gunn hit a famous are on the on the pad outside the ring but you

00:32:50:16 – 00:33:28:19
Matt
know they needed the clean win the AIW leans on the low blow finish with the distracted referee far too often. Yeah, I feel like I did. You know, at least Jericho got the win without Sammy Guevara’s help. Because I just don’t want to see that anymore. Anyway. But still, it. You know, as soon as he pulled Floyd out and Claudio caught it like it was going to end in something like that, you know, that they just have the least observant referees in professional wrestling, I guess.

00:33:29:01 – 00:33:53:16
Jeremy
Yeah, it’s it’s unfortunate. I’m thinking at least with Chris Jericho in the position of Roh world champion, I kind of feel like we’re eminent to Tony Khan announcing some kind of TV or streaming or some kind of deal, because I feel like they’re just in a way repeating what they did with Chris Jericho at the start of the company.

00:33:54:10 – 00:34:24:01
Jeremy
Yeah. And I think that’s a it’s probably a very smart, smart deal to do. It’s cool that we get Claudio his first world championship win, and I hope it’s not his last. But that seems like what we’re doing here is kind of set that up. But I think Claudio is is good on the mic. It’s just one of those things where like, just because he got an ax and Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon didn’t like to hear him talk, but like he he’s he’s passionate, he’s good.

00:34:24:01 – 00:34:44:11
Jeremy
I like it. So it’s just kind of a shame that he wasn’t given that opportunity over the years. But yeah, they didn’t burn down Queens. I was thinking like, there’s no way they claim can’t they got to win just because there’s going to be a there’s supposed to be a rampage taping afterwards and no one would stay. Everyone would just leave.

00:34:44:15 – 00:35:07:22
Jeremy
I think people would just stop. That would be like the jump the shark moment. For some people, they’re like, I can’t watch AIW anymore because the claimed loss for me, it’s when Stone Cold Steve Austin sided Vince McMahon and turned heel. That just like after all the the years of going against McMahon, it’s just like this is too much.

00:35:07:22 – 00:35:17:19
Jeremy
That was a bridge too far and I stopped watching for like 15 years after that. But what are the either highlights for you.

00:35:19:01 – 00:35:56:18
Matt
Are that the pop that MJF got and then the fact that to get heel he he had to attack Tony Schiavone was was pretty astounding. You know you does come a long way on the mic but did it was it was truly unfair to put him across from MJF at this stage. MJ If he’s on another level and I hope, I hope and hope and hope that it comes to play that him attacking Shivani invokes the wrath of Sting.

00:35:58:11 – 00:36:29:17
Matt
Just because that that that’s so on character. They’ve they’ve got to do with it. MJF was a definite highlight the the main event match nobody expected anything less than than a damn good one and that’s what they got. Jon Moxley is officially the only three time w world champion because we’re not going to put anybody else in that category.

00:36:30:01 – 00:37:05:14
Matt
Right. We are. We are scrub and somebody I, I think it was the right call, particularly given the Internet’s fascination with the Daniel Bryan Bryan Danielson title history being so heavily linked to punk makes sense. Let’s let’s not let’s not let this sully when he inevitably holds that belt. Truthfully, I probably would have had him be the guy that carried the Ring of Honor Belt into a TV series.

00:37:05:14 – 00:37:26:20
Matt
But, you know, that’s it. Jericho got AIW off the ground, so who knows? I lost the thread. The women’s match was fine. Acclaimed Getting the win was was another highlight. Was there anything else.

00:37:27:18 – 00:37:27:22
Jeremy
To.

00:37:28:06 – 00:37:34:13
Matt
Do? The matches got a lot of TV time, so there wasn’t a ton on this. This show.

00:37:34:15 – 00:37:58:22
Jeremy
Yeah, I think it was. It was all, all title matches, too. Like, there was there was a couple, couple moments we have we had like FDR congratulate the acclaimed but then, you know kind of mentioning that they’ve got their number one contender ship spot and the AC boys kind of making fun of them, which I thought they were good on the mic and it was like, okay, these guys have progressed a lot.

00:37:59:01 – 00:37:59:10
Matt
Like.

00:37:59:15 – 00:38:32:16
Jeremy
And I actually want to see FDR beat the shit out of them. So I think that that’s kind of good. I hope it doesn’t delay them from an actual championship match for a long time. But that’s I do actually want to see that feud. I mean, POC versus Orange Cassidy was good. It just, you know, it’s a shame that it had to end in in the the cheating I think you can have orange Cassidy lose I think that’s fine because orange Cassidy puts in a good match and I think he’s kind of like him and Darby there’s like you can almost beat them almost a billion times.

00:38:32:16 – 00:38:36:10
Jeremy
They don’t they don’t lose their shine. So, like, yeah, I think that’s fine.

00:38:37:18 – 00:38:53:01
Matt
I meant to look it up. What, did they not have a match at? Was it the first all out that did. I swear we saw them. Them have a match at a pay per view but I’m sorry.

00:38:53:09 – 00:39:14:00
Jeremy
Who. Oh. Oh, it was. Well it was the revolution 2020. We weren’t there but it was the that that won right before the pandemic started and they had a banger of a match then. Yeah. That, that park won but it was one of those most matches that brought a lot people around to Orange. Cassidy was like, Okay, this guy can go.

00:39:14:00 – 00:39:23:17
Jeremy
And he’s great, like on multiple levels. And you know, when he activates the what, try hard mode, like then that is pretty good.

00:39:25:17 – 00:39:48:21
Jeremy
So and I think it’s kind of smart. They did on dynamite they did all the title matches that they were going to have for Grand Slam, which was quite a lot. But they did them all on one show because they were taping, doing a rampage taping right afterwards and otherwise they would have all gotten spoiled. Any of the if they put any of those title matches on the rampage, I haven’t really heard anything about about Rampage.

00:39:48:21 – 00:40:07:13
Jeremy
So I think that’s going to be good. We do have Eddie Kingston versus Sammy Guevara. You know, it’s always the best person that at least beat Sammy down. But it does also mean Sammy is going to be on the TV. This is after the whole pie face incident. So we’ll we’ll see kind of how that that works out.

00:40:08:23 – 00:40:36:15
Jeremy
We have the Sting and Derby versus the House of Black, and I forget what it’s like a basically an extreme rules match, I believe. I don’t know. And then there’s Darby. I’m sorry, there’s Ricky Starks and Will Hobbs in a lights out match that I’m assuming is going to close the show and probably like a whole bunch of other stuff.

00:40:36:22 – 00:40:37:08
Jeremy
I don’t know.

00:40:38:18 – 00:41:01:17
Matt
Yeah. Because we, we’ve got a two hour this time. Yeah. And more rappers. So if you were excited to see all the rappers on Dynamite Action, Bronson will be back around. Oh, yes. I believe Trina, who you just look up her discography if you don’t remember her. It is it is. It is a gem.

00:41:02:21 – 00:41:33:02
Jeremy
I do remember the moment I saw. It’s like some other names involved with her. I remember other rappers in mid-song say her name and I’m like, Oh yeah, Trina. Okay, yeah, I remember her. She got a shout out from Cardi B for appearing on On Dynamite. So Cardi B is watching. So that’s interesting. But yeah, one thing I will say, we’re talking about Swerve and the and Keith Lee or or at least swerve being a heel.

00:41:33:02 – 00:41:58:22
Jeremy
They showed up at some Brooklyn school the other day that has like a wrestling club. And these probably are like late elementary, early middle school possibly. They flipped out for Swerve and Keith Lee and it was like incredibly wholesome. And I know that like, I know that he’s a he’ll but it’s great. It was it was really heartwarming and I’ll see if I can link to that in the the show notes.

00:41:59:17 – 00:42:22:07
Jeremy
It’ll it’ll make you feel good so. Well, what else are you looking forward to this week. We got I mean really it’s it’s tomorrow the white rabbit is what looking forward to. I’m I’m excited about maybe even being disappointed that somehow it’s not very white I think I think it’d be I think it’s going to be fun to find out.

00:42:23:22 – 00:42:24:11
Matt
It’s.

00:42:24:13 – 00:42:26:02
Jeremy
Goldberg Oh, my God.

00:42:26:13 – 00:43:07:12
Matt
We all know it’s Goldberg. The Saudi show is coming up. They got to bring Goldberg back. Yeah. Yeah. 923 on 923 Eastern Standard Time. Tune into Smackdown. I’m I’ve been enjoying it. It’s going to be a want law ending here. I’ve been enjoying these September suicide prevention things that AIW has been doing. You know, there’s a stigma around mental health, and it’s it’s I’ve always found it fascinating that, you know, these people that seem larger than life and and all this, you know, have the same things.

00:43:08:02 – 00:43:45:20
Matt
If you do have issues and need to talk to somebody, please find resources. I’m excited to see the Extreme Rules Card continue to to fill in. I’m excited to to find out what the hell exactly Fight Pit is. So, yeah, it’s. Wrestling’s been good lately, man. There’s just, there’s there’s tons of it. And, you know, I know we even had half joked, but I was I was at least 60% serious that I was just burned out on AIW with punk won that belt like that.

00:43:45:20 – 00:44:16:19
Matt
They just seem they seem reinvigorated without their four top guys like it. It’s like everybody just decided, hey, you know what? Hell with it. Let’s just let’s just go out here and put on banger after banger. They got they got more than enough talent. The Triple H is doing wonderful things, you know, kind of coasting Vince’s stories and things to an end and bringing things back that they desperately needed to come back.

00:44:17:01 – 00:44:58:03
Matt
Wrestling is actually getting more TV time than promos, which is I didn’t think I’d live to see when WWE got back to that next has been just f ing great man. Now we got dragunov is back like God just the influx of the talent has just revitalized that that show and is as wild as it is to say they have made Brian Breaker look like the champ that they wanted us to think he was the whole time.

00:44:58:03 – 00:45:27:07
Matt
Right. That Tyler Bate match. I went back and watched it again. It was that good. So, yeah, it’s it’s all it’s it’s a it’s a damn good time to still be a wrestling fan. I hope that the rest of you don’t listen to us because, you know, you either birthed us or something that that, you know, you’re still giving it a shot, that you’re still enjoying it because when it’s good, it’s just damn good, man.

00:45:27:22 – 00:45:57:18
Jeremy
Yeah. And when it sucks, it sucks. This summer was bleak across the board. IWW Maybe it wasn’t fun, it wasn’t great. Or like, we were going to come back earlier than we. We were originally going to come back like way earlier than we actually did, but with both WB And we were like, we just don’t want to talk about like so we just hunger break yeah and now it’s in a completely different different spot and it just it’s nice to see it kind of sucked that both were also bad.

00:45:58:01 – 00:46:18:06
Jeremy
Like all, both were kind of bad at the same time, but it seems like both AIW and WWE are really kind of kind of firing on all cylinders again, which is nice to see. Just producers at A.W. talk to each other and make sure you’re not all doing the same match endings. That’s the that was the biggest problem.

00:46:20:04 – 00:46:46:13
Matt
And producers for both shows, Sammy Guevara and Dominic Mysterio, are interchangeable. And I don’t want to see either one of them. So, yeah, especially now that he’s got that damn mullet. Oh, my God, man. Oh, my God. I just don’t want to see it. Just make it stop. Yeah. So, yeah, watch wrestling, like, subscribe. If you tried to watch us on a live stream on Facebook, we apologize.

00:46:46:13 – 00:47:10:04
Matt
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00:47:11:13 – 00:47:25:14
Matt
I mean, I literally I talk to my wife, I listen to my baby babble, and I talked to Jeremy. So if anybody else wants to come in, join the conversation, I’d love some company.

00:47:25:14 – 00:47:30:08
Jeremy
Well, on that note, we’ll catch you next week for more wrestling.